Mark McCandlish, US AIR Force

Mark McCandlish presenterer seg som en “conceptual artist” som arbeider både for den sivile og den offentlige forsvarsindustrien. Han gir et av de lengste og mest teknisk detaljerte inter­vjuene i boken, som går over 13 sider. Her kommer bare noen få utdrag. I det første utdraget forteller han om noen eksperimenter med antigravitasjon som Mark Stambaugh utførte:

”What he did, apparently, was aquire a high voltage power source – a DC (direct current) power source, and he took a couple of quarter-inch-thick copper plates about a foot in diameter, with a lead coming out of the middle of each one at the top and the bottom. [Then], he basically embedded them in a type of plastic resin like polycarbonate  or Plexiglas, or some other kind of clear resin where you could see the plates, and you could see the material. Apparently, he did everything he could to get all the little air bubbles and stuff out of there, so there wouldn’t be any pathways for the electricity to break down the material and arc through them. The experiment was to see how much voltage you could put on this capacitor – the subplate capacitor – in this arrangement; how much voltage could you put on this thing before the insulating material begins to just break down.

Well, he got up to about a million volts, and the thing would begin to float, and it floated in accordance with the principles that had been described in a patent that was filed back in the late 1950s/early 1960s by a gentleman called Thomas Townsend Brown. Brown and another individual by the name of Dr. Biefield had done this, so this effect became known as the Biefield-Brown effect. Well, [Stambough] apparently duplicated the experiments done by Biefield and Brown, [and] the one aspect they found about this arrangement was that the levitation or movement would occur in the direction of the positively-charged plate. So, if you had two plates, one is negative, and one is positive because of the direct current system. If you have the positive plate on top, it would move in that direction. If you had it on a pendulum, it would always swing in whatever direction the positive plate was facing…”

McCandlish treffer senere Brad Sorensen, som har en interessant historie å fortelle. Brad fikk den 12. november 1988 en personlig invitasjon inn i en enorm hangar ved Norton Air Force Base. Han som var ansvarlig for invitasjonen var imidlertid ikke klar over at akkurat denne dagen var det fremvisning av flytyper som krevde ekstra høy sikkerhetsklarering. Sorensen fikk dermed se flytyper som han ikke var sikkerhetsklarert for. Høydepunktet var en egen seksjon i hangaren der tre romskip hang svevende i luften. Videoskjermer viste noen opptak der disse tok av fra bakken og fløy av sted. Fremdriftssystemet var lydløst. Noen innretninger i romskipet kunne tolkes dithen at romskipet ikke bare fløy rundt i atmosfæren, men ved hjelp av robotarmer kunne ”plukke opp” prøver utenfor Jordens atmosfære. De tre romskipene var av forskjellige størrelse, men hadde samme form og proporsjoner. Den minste var ca. 24 fot i diameter (nederst); den største var 60 fot i diameter.

Brad Sorensens tegning og forklaring av romskipet han så ved Norton AFB

den 12. november 1988, med kallenavnet Flux Liner.

“… The bottom of the vehicle was about 11 or 12 inches thick. In both cases, the coil and this large disc at the bottom were like a big plastic casting – sort of a greenish-blue, clear plastic, or it might have been glass. I determined, using my conceptual artist skills, that there were exactly 48 sections like thin slices of pizza pie, and each section within this casting probably weighted four or five tons, judging by the thickness and the diameter. It must have been monstrous in weight. It was full of half-inch-thick copper plates, and each of the 48 sections had 8 copper plates.

So, here we are back to the plate capicitors again, and the prospect of someone finding a way to use the Biefield-Brown effect – this levitation effect where you charge a capacitor to lift towards a positive plate. Now, when you got eight plates stacked up in there, they alternate. It goes: negative positive, negative positive, negative positive – four times, so you ultimately wind up with the positive plates always being above a set of negative plates as you go up…”

“… Now, I started looking at the design of this thing, and it occurred to me that what I was looking at was a huge Tesla coil, which is kind of like an open-air transformer. What happens is that when you pass electricity through this large diameter coil, it creates a field. That’s what this system does: it takes electricity, using two large 24-volt marine-style batteries. You basically use that to somehow put an alternating current through these windings. [Then], you step up that electricity through the secondary coil, which is on the column in the middle, and you get this extremely high voltage. You can selectively put the voltage on any of these 48 capacitor sections.

Well, why would you want to do that? If you’re using just a normal Tesla coil, you usually have maybe one or two capacitors in the whole system. But, you’re talking about a different kind of capacitor here – you’re talking about capacitors that are made up of plates – plates that are shaped like long, thin triangles, and they are all radially-oriented just like the spokes of a wheel, just like the oxygen tanks, just like the field lines from that large diameter coil. As you look at this system, if you’re an electrician or just somebody who knows a little bit about Tesla coils and the way they are set up, you begin to realize that the orientation of components is really the key to making the system work.

Why so many different capacitor sections? If you have just one big disc like Mark Stambough did with his experiment at the University of Arizona – which, by the way was confiscated by men claiming to be from the government and claiming privilege under the National Security Act. They took all this stuff, interviewed all the people that saw the experiments, and told everybody to keep their mouths shut and not talk about it. But, I heard about it from his roommate who knew what had happened. [Anyway], in that case, you have levitation, but you don’t get any control. You have this thing floating around, and it’s just sort of floating on whatever this field is that it’s producing, but you don’t have any control.

So, what happens? You break that disc up into 48 different sections, and then you can decide how much electricity you want to put on this side or over there on that side, so you can control the amount of electricity and the amount of thrust and vectoring that you get. You can make it go straight up, you can make it bank and turn and pitch – whatever you want to, by virtue of the fact that you can control where the electricity goes in those 48 different sections. If you ever take a circle and divide it up into 48 equal sections, you’ll find that those are really thin little slices. So, you have these 48 individual capacitors, and you have one big Tesla coil. You’ve got to have some kind of rotating spark gap, just like the distributor in your car, that sends the electricity out to each of those sections. Then, you have to have some way of controlling how much electricity goes to each one…”

”… It was all linked fiber-optically. Well, why would that make any difference? Why would you want to have a system that’s all linked fiber-optically? The reason is that if you find a way to control gravity, you reduce the mass of it. If you are able to do that, what are the other side benefits? What if you somehow found a way of tapping into this scalar field, this zero-point energy? If what the scientists believe is true, then the zero-point energy is actually what keeps the electrons around the atomic structure of everything in our universe. It keeps them energized – it keeps those little electrons spinning in their different clouds around the nucleus of every atom in our world. It keeps them going, keeps them from crashing into the nucleus like a satellite orbiting the Earth gets pulled into the atmosphere by gravitational drag. Well, if you have a way of interfering with that interaction, that absorption of zero-point energy by those electrons, they begin to slow down.

Every atom in the universe is just like a little gyroscope: it’s got all these electrons spinning around the nucleus, and they have a gyroscopic effect, which is the effect we call inertia and mass. We have one nucleus with a proton and a neutron and one electron – hydrogen – spinning around like that: not very much mass, not too much inertia. If you take uranium, [with] 235 electrons all spinning around in their different clouds, there is a lot of mass; there is a lot of inertia, because it’s like a bigger gyroscope, in a way. At least, that’s the analogy that I’ve kind of picked up here. But, if you have a way of interfering with that absorption of zero-point energy so those electrons become de-energized, they begin to slow down. The effect of that inertia, that gyroscopic effect, begins to drop off, and the mass drops off to, even though the atomic structure is intact; and it’s still there – it’s still uranium, but it’s not as heavy.

One of the things Einstein said, was that you could never accelerate anything up to and past the speed of light. If you did, you would have to have all the energy in the universe, because as you accelerate through space, mass increases. One of the old films showing this concept shows a train going faster and faster towards the speed of light, but the train keeps getting bigger and bigger until the engine just can’t pull it, so it can never pass the speed of light.

But, what if you have a system, a device, that absorbs that zero-point energy and prevents it from interacting with the atomic structure of the vehicle? And, at the same time, it’s providing additional power to the capacitor section – this whole electrical system that is going on in the vehicle, that’s running. In effect, the faster you go, the easier it becomes to go up to and exceed the speed of light.

Brad said that in this exhibit at Norton Air Force Base, a three star general said that these vehicles were capable of doing light speed or better. Oh, by the way, the largest of these vehicles was about 120 to 130 feet in diameter. I mean, that’s massive when you think about it – it’s just huge.

There is a scientist in Utah by the name of Moray B. King – he wrote a book called Tapping the Zero Point Energy. What he maintains is that this energy is embedded in space-time all around us; it’s in everything we see. I think it was James Clerk Maxwell who speculated that there’s enough of this flux, this electrical charge, in the nothingness of space, that if you could capture all the energy that was embedded in just a cubic yard of space, you’d have enough energy to boil the oceans of the entire world. That’s how much energy is sitting there waiting to be tapped. Now, one of the things that Moray B. King said, was that the best way to tap that energy is by driving it out of equilibrium. It’s just like a box of cigarette smoke in a box, but if you somehow send a shockwave through it, you can get force – you can get ripples through it. Then, if you have a way of collecting that energy at the other end, you have a way of tapping into it and using it.

This Alien Reproduction Vehicle, this Flux Liner, has a way of doing that somehow, electronically. Now, Brad had described the fact that this central column has a kind of vacuum chamber in it. The vacuum chamber is one of the things that all of these scientists describe in these over-unity or free energy devices they build. They all have some kind of vacuum tubes, vacuum technology.

Brad maintained that inside this big vacuum chamber in the central column that’s inside everything else – inside the flywheel, inside the secondary coils of the Tesla coil, inside the crew compartment – there is mercury vapor. Mercury vapor will conduct electricity, but it produces all kinds of ionic effects. These little molecules of mercury become charged in unusual ways, and if you fire a tremendous amount of electricity through mercury vapory that’s in a partial vacuum, there is something special, something unusual that happens in that process. I believe it’s the process that Morey [King] came to describe when he [proposed] driving the energy in the vacuum out of equilibrium, putting some kind of a shockwave through it.

Now, the other thing that I believe happens here, is that as this system begins to tap into this zero-point energy and is drawing it away from the local environment, the whole craft becomes lighter in weight – it becomes partially mass-cancelled, if you will, which is one of the reasons why just a little bit of energy in the capacitors could shoot it all over the place.

One of the things that I believe happens, is when you take a system like this and you fire it up, everything in the system starts to become mass-canceled. The next thing that happens is that the electrons that are flowing through the system also become mass-canceled. What does that mean? It means as that system and all the electrons flowing through that big Tesla coil become mass-canceled, it also becomes the perfect super-conductor, which means the efficiency of the systems goes right through the ceiling. You get dramatic efficiency, just like the whole thing was dunked into liquid nitrogen or made out of pure silver or pure gold, which at certain temperatures are perfect conductors – it becomes lighter and can accelerate at incredible speeds…”

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“… 10-15 years ago, I was talking to Tom Bearden about scalar effects. One of the things that he said, just off the top of his head, was,

‘Have you ever wondered why the NASA budget has been cut back so severely? It’s because they’ve got all this other technology that is so much better, so much faster. They are so much better than rocket-propelled spaceships that take months, sometimes years, to get to the outer reaches of the solar system. Why would you put millions and millions of dollars [into] what [amounts] to a public works program for scientists? Why invest all that money when you have this classified system that’s used exclu­sively by the National Security Agency, the CIA, or Air Force Intelligence? It will go anywhere in the solar system in hours, compared to months or years. Why spend all that money on NASA when you’ve got something that will go there right now?’

When people speculate that there [might] be manned bases on the back side of the moon or there might be bases on Mars, I can tell you that I’m almost positive that that’s true. In fact, I’m positive that it’s true…”

”… Anyway, the only other thing that I could say, is that when I was talking about the fiber optic control system, that’s also one of the things that goes back to the original Roswell acount that there were all these little fibers with light going through them, and they couldn’t explain what this stuff was. Well, why would you need a fiber optic system in your spaceship? If, suddenly, everything in the vehicle becomes mass-canceled, and even the electrons becomes mass-canceled, it means that all of the telemetry that’s going through your system is going to go haywire. It’s going to be like, suddenly, the system goes through a phase change, and everything is super-conducting. So, you have to have some way of maintaining the same level of control for your spark gaps – the control of the amount of electricity that goes out of the capacitors – so that when you change the control stick, you still get the same amount of movement and deflection in the system, even when you go into a state of mass-cancellation or partial mass-cancellation, because the electrons are also mass-cancelled, so they become super-conducting circuits.

Why use fiber optics? Because photons have no mass, so they are unaffected. That means any information, any telemetry that you send back and forth to your computer gets there. It doesn’t matter if the computer functions at the super-conducting level, because it just makes it faster, more efficient, smarter. You want to be able to control the aircraft so it doesn’t crash, and what’s the best way to do it? With fiber optics.” [s. 497-509]

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